so the rebulicans might have the edge if there is a swimsuit competition

check her out here

and here

This post was last modified: 09-14-2008 01:42 PM by drew102e.

Obama better start measuring for drapes...

Because McCain just handed over the last chances of winning.

His age/cancer are going to leave people scared s***less of this "hockey mom" taking over. I could feel safe with Hillary, Obama, Biden, or even McCain talking to Putin, Admenijad (however it's spelled), and China. However, I cannot see Palin doing that well.

Independents are now labeled scared. The more they find out about her, especially the investigation, she's more of a detrement than an asset. Most women I talk to are offended that McCain would do this to try and pander Hillary votes.

I'll say it again,
Congratulations President Obama.

Wow, good thing he picked a candidate that everyone could objectify, or this would have been a total loss...right? Right? [/ sarcasm]

It was a cheap trick to pull her out at the last second. A Republican woman is like a black Klaansman, imo (no offense to anyone of color, here. I just feel that any woman who can be on the side of a party who so clearly wants to stifle all reproductive health care rights that women have, must be self hating.)

This post was last modified: 08-30-2008 12:38 PM by Holly.

well what else could he have done? He could've made a good argument about why he won't do the things Obama has accused him off and gone on to talk about the things that Obama wants to do that won't work. But no.

I'm not talking about policy. That has nothing to do with who he chose to run with him. It was a stunt, pure and simple. It has more to do with the leverage he thinks he has by signing on a woman, not how well he thinks she'll do by his side.

Every woman I know is absolutely outraged at McCain's cheapness, and really questions his judgement/vs wanting to win.

McCain basically picked her to gain the support of all those who supported Hillary. However, he just lost an argument he had against Obama; The fact that he is inexperienced. Now McCain's VP is inexperienced, and some (most) of Hillary's supporters are voting for Obama anyway. Votes should be based on proficiency, not sex.

And Drew, you should see the picture of her daughter I saw in the newspaper today.

This post was last modified: 08-30-2008 01:58 PM by Wiiwillrockyou.

Aren't there more experienced women out there? Did he just pick her because she had a "rough background"? He can't say he understands what it's like to struggle for money, but he can say that Palin does. That's funny. At least he still has POW.

Thank you for speaking up. As a woman, I also found it cheap because I will not be pandered into voting for someone just because they have a woman on their side. I was behind Hillary because of her policies and strength, as well as her vast experience. I am a feminist. That means equality for ALL sexes, not just females. I will not choose someone just because they share my gender. That would be sexist and wrong. I will not give my vote over by default because he chose a woman. That won't do me a lick of good when they are taking away my access to reproductive health care.

I agree. And as a man who supports women's rights, I don't see how any woman can in their right mind vote for that ticket. McCain is pro-life, which is fine for some, but many women would have an issue with that, especially with as many as 3 justices retiring in the next 4 years.

The real issue is equal pay. How could any woman support a ticket that doesn't support equal pay. A woman who does not support equal pay is just a political pawn.

By talking to more women, many think she's a tool for not taking care of her family to run for VP.

As an Obama supporter, this is a terrific choice, Obama's chances are looking better and better.

all that airbrushing and she still looks tired

Yes this may actually hurt McCain in the end. To put it as Obama's mouthpiece did, she was mayor of a town of 9,000, has no foreign policy experience, and now she's a heartbeat away from the presidential office. AND she's made a point to iterate her anti abortion stance.

I will say it again: a woman Republican is practically a black Klaansman. Only a self hating woman who's so self hating she doesn't even realize how self hating she is, could possibly be ok with it.

Let me put it this way

the very same people who just signed her on
50 years ago would have never even let her get past being much more than a secretary

Not to mention, this may put off a lot of southern conservative men from voting. If Obama nabs Georgia, it's over.

Back on topic, you have every right to be outraged. This was a gamble to see if McCain could get Hillary's supporters, and I'll agree with sc7 on this one; it's only going to hurt his chances.

This post was last modified: 08-31-2008 09:27 AM by Wiiwillrockyou.

If she becomes VP, she'll be the hottest one ever, with Al Gore in a close second.

No VP is hotter than Dic.....


Can't say it without vomitting.

Poor Drew wanted sexi pr0nz and got talk of politics. Perhaps you should have saved this for after the election?

@ sc7: Owned. You hit the nail on the head.

"There is no such thing as bad publicity"

After the inital hesitation, she has been seen as an excellent choice for the GOP. It was completely unexpected and has put the democrats on uneasy ground.

Bringing up her lack of experiences opens the door to Obama's (at least she has accomplished something). Biden has been defanged in the VP debates now, as coming on too strong will make him look bad. She's even the new web darling, knocking Obama off his YouTube podium.

Overall, she's a moderate (except for being pro-life) housecleaner with no ties to the old school GOP and she has the attractive personality to be mediaworthy. Let's also point out that she has the highest approval rating of any governor (~90%) and is the only P/VP candidate with executive experience (when was the last time we even elected a senator to be president? Kennedy?). She might actually bring together the two pillars of the Reagan era... conservatives and libertarians. The newest polls are already showing that the Biden/DNC bounce is not only dead, but that McCain has already regained the lead in some of the polls... all show momentual shifting towards the GOP. One person even pointed out that he had to hit the Donate button 5 times before the GOP website didn't time out after the Palin annoucement.

I would never trust Palin with our country or our military. I don't see her conversing with foreign countries either, and I take her experience with a grain of salt.

Maybe, but there's a lot about her that can backfire.  The women of my family find McCain's choice insulting.  The polls I've seen about her show she's not well known, and women support her substantially less than men.  So many polled have never heard of her, and with troopergate coming out, that may not help her so much.

Sad that Americans are that stupid to fall for that.  The person means nothing.  It's their policies.  Biden, however, can still make her look like a fool on foreign policy without "attacking" her.

She is NO moderate.  She's wildly conservative on gun rights, economics, birth control (seriously, she wants to ban condoms?).  Her personality could be a potential hazard.  If seen too "momish", people will question her national security credentials.  

Her approval rating is nowhere near 90% anymore.  After troopergate, she's around 60%, which is good, but Alaska is so conservative, it's not that unnatural.  She WAS initially for the bridge to nowehere, before she was against it.

Executive experience isn't that important, especially of a state where it's population is smaller than 17 major U.S cities.  I don't know about the donation thing, but your poll numbers are way off.  Obama still is up in the polls.  The latest day of the gallup tracking has Obama up 5, and that was taken after the Palin announcement.

If he maintains a 5 point lead, that's significant.  I have seen no poll in the favor of McCain.  Obama up 6 in the tracking polls is a little high now, but he will still be up when all of the days conclude past the announcement, which IS significant.  The bump/bounce is not dead.


My case against Palin is this:
-Troopergate, the first thing people hear about her.  It's not likely to have a good impression.
-Overhype, your first statement was correct.  No coverage is bad coverage.  When people learn about her, and the "wow" factor is over, her bump will die just as quickly as Obama's convention bump will.
-Insult, I know a lot of women are very insulted about this.  When women learn she's anti-feminist, even opposing equal pay for equal work, they will change their opinion.  All she did was excite the conservative base, most likely where the donations are.  A lot of women think she should take care of her *cough*daughters*cough* downs syndrome baby, not further her career.  She's no Hillary Clinton.
-Qualifications, if McCain, the oldest person elected to the office for a first term, if he wins, passess away in Office, many will be scared to see palin go up against Putin, Admenijad, etc.  I can trust McCain here, Obama here, Biden here, Hillary Clinton, but not Sarah Palin.
-Wildly conservative.  She's further to the right than Mike Huckabee, so I don't know why you say she's moderate.  Regardless, when independents learn how conservative she is, it's more likely to scare them away.

The reality is this, she will probably end up being negligable to the McCain camp, neither helping nor hurting.  But in the end, McCain is behind, because as long as McCain is tied to Bush, voters will decide to go Democratic, recalling the last 8 years vs the 8 before them.

The reality too, is that Palin will be under more scrutiny than Biden, because the odds of her taking the role are much greater than Biden.  I can handle McCain in office if I have to, but the idea of Palin being commander in chief scares the crap out of me, and probably quite a few voters.


EDIT:  Furhtermore, VP pick bounces are often quick to fade, and the VP pretty much never affects the voter opinion in the end.

Experience:  Obama has more that I trust.  A senator makes decisions on everyday issues a president would, he just becomes executive.  Someone from a far out state makes executive motions, but on issues where she's uneducated.  (Cant point out the Afgan pakistani border, wtf).

Alaksans think she's a poor choice for McCain.


He also only met her once before, then called her once to tell her she was it. She was not fully vetted, either. This shows McCain's poor judgement, and quick panic to Obama's convention. Most agree this is a hail mary, it may work, but odds are against him.

This post was last modified: 08-31-2008 02:50 PM by sc7.