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Admin Edit - A lot of the reasoning behind creating this post was misunderstanding, And all issues have now been resolved. With sc7's permission, we are closing this thread.


The air outside was cold, but the buzz inside on the web was hotter than ever.  It was the week following the release of the Wii.  I came to Wiiloaded in search of where I could find a console (hopefully before the holidays).  I joined a forum with some helpful members, some really nice people, who were all interested in generally the same topic.  I created the “Good shipment info thread”, which, although now mostly defunct, helped MANY people get their Wiis.  Not once, did I ever boast about my work in the thread.  Long after I had gotten my own Wii, I assisted many more, even members who joined the site when they saw the thread, and only stuck around till they found a Wii.  I was glad to help people, because searching for a console is one of the worst things I’ve ever had to do myself.

Now, times have changed.  Everyone has their Wii, and some of us are enjoying them, while others wait patiently for our AAA titles to come out.  Meanwhile, I continued to stay around, assisting people in the PC game forum, the tech forum, as well as the PS3 and 360 sections.  I have education in application programming and specifically, 3d programming.  I have a great deal of knowledge on how most of the technology in this industry works.  I’m personally happy to share it with everyone.  

Sadly, over the last 3 weeks, I’ve seen a tremendous decline in the quality of this forum.  As someone who’s moderated and administered forums of this size, and greater, I grew greatly disappointed.  My gripes became a series of events, and the personal damage and hurt is simply irreparable.  It began about a week and a half ago.  I made A (ONE) post “flaming” a member.  I found this post to be harmless, especially since I’ve seen much worse come out of the more “favored” 11 year old members, and go under the radar.  Yet I received a message stating that I “flamed” him.  As I’ve stated on this matter, I did not find my post to be even remotely close to anything ever deemed flaming in any other forum I’ve ever moderated.  

I am going to reiterate my case stated to Z6Joker9 on the matter when I first complained about the post.  Firstly, I used almost no foul language, and the language I used was far less severe than some of the language coming out of, again, the mouths of 11 year olds on here.  (Believe me, I can tell by the WONDERFUL sentence syntax some of these people use).  Secondly, not a single part of my post was attacking him on any personal level.  I simply stated that I disagreed with the way the member posted his information in his profile, and how I disagreed.  I also mentioned that I didn’t like how his clowning around was again getting tolerated, and he was clearly getting a bias because some members know him from “Wiichat”.  

Again, I’ve contributed a solid 500 posts to this place, and a good deal of them offer more help than any posts from some members who have 2,000+ posts.  And I take no issue with anyone who has that many posts of less useful information, but I felt that I didn’t get shown respect from people who don’t contribute half the technological knowledge that I do.  I put a great deal of effort into all of my posts.  Yet, when I post one arguably rude post, which was far less severe than others that slip under the radar, I get a warning on the system without any verbal warning.  I don’t care if that’s the “purpose” of it, as Joker has so stated, I work hard on my posts here, and to not even get the courtesy of a “chill” bothered me.  True, there was an indirect warning from Charmander, but honestly, it doesn’t justify the lack of a personal warning.  I could get past that.  

However, recently, I’ve been delving more into the issue, and realized the poor treatment I received.  I was warned by members, who are part of the mod staff, and I’ve never seen contribute any helpful materials.  I’m not going to say every member should contribute technological information, as not every member has a degree in Computer Science.  But I took offence to regular “chit-chat” members, as moderators, who really provide no help, laying down the hammer on me, showing no respect for the work I put into the community and help.  Again, I may have only 500 posts, but they are undoubtedly the strongest of any member with 500 posts.  I really don’t like to boast my own statistics, but I feel I am only doing so currently in the matter of self defense.  

I was issued the warning by Sakura.  I don’t personally ever recall talking to her, and I will not make a decision on the type of person she might be (I’ve heard she’s nice) from the warning.  I’m absolutely disgruntled by the lack of appreciation showed to me with that warning, especially from someone who hasn’t really contributed knowledge.  The other part I took issue with was that D4rkdrago0n saw the post, let it go, and then she came in AFTER him, and gave it a warning.  My gripe later came with “linkzelda”.  After I made a statement about it, and contacted joker, I was then threatened by linkzelda.  Another “moderator”, who hasn’t contributed knowledge (which, as I’ve reiterated several times now, is not a problem in the lightest sense), proceeded to threaten me.  Again, it’s as if these mods have not even seen my posts, and have no appreciation for the literally hours I’ve put into my posts.  Her tone was completely unnecessary.

After contacting Z6Joker9, I was assured that in a measure of gratitude, the warnings would be removed (after working with d4rk to remove them).  I was content with that, not on the basis of status, but on the basis of principle.  When I came back a few hours later, I found myself being informed, a whole different tune from Joker.  That the system was in place for that reason, and that the decision will be withheld.  The only thing worse to me than getting the warning, was now being told is was going to be removed, and then it not happening.  To me, I found this to be the ultimate sign of disrespect and lack of appreciation.  

I was willing to ignore my beef with the greater part of the staff, until the last few days.  I’ve noticed that more time goes into the sillier parts of the forum (OMG BAN TEH USER ABOVEZ U LOLZ!!!!!!1111eleven), and that no one seems to care about the information regarding the real topics.  I guess it’s the large population of 11 year olds who have no attention span to make anything useful out of the site, and such get favored by the under experienced team of moderators.  I am absolutely calling this out, because on NO forum (which I’ve been using since 1998) that I’ve ever been a moderator on, have mods EVER acted this unprofessionally towards their members.  On the site I used to frequent, Devshed, was truly the prime example of how a web forum should be run.  I’ll admit I have a hot temper, but when I moderated, I NEVER threatened users in such inappropriate ways.  And the best way for a forum to flourish, is to give the benefit of the doubt initially to all offenders.  I used to always give verbal warnings.  Why?  Because the authoritarian warning crackdown system almost unanimously clears out the members.  It’s effectively the same as giving them a permanent ban.  I’m one of the few who would actually stick out a warning on my name.  There are too many moderators for so little active members.  The main fact is that the admins are letting emotional, arrogant, immature teenagers run around with too much power.  I’ll be damned if I’m going to take my degree, and be “disciplined” by a teenager.

I’ve spent a lot of time around the PS3 and 360 sections.  As someone in the field of technology, I simply find them to be far more entertaining in regards to technological discussion, than the Wii sections.  People often criticize my work, along with gft77 in that forum.  So what that I favor the PS3, it’s not like I’m not helpful in other areas too.  And today, greaerlee, a member and moderator who, again, often criticizes and is rude to other members, denounced my PS3 journal.  I deliberately spent almost an hour and a half of my own time, after work, on that, to help educate people, and hopefully bring more people to the site.  I get attacked for it reading like an infomercial.  Never, have I EVER seen a group of people so ungrateful for the contributions of a member.

I am above personal attacks, so the people I have an issue with (mostly moderators, namely:  Sakura, linkzelda, Z6joker9, I wish none of you harm, and the best of luck in your lives and the continuation of the site.)  With that said, there are some people I’d like to personally thank for my stay here.  Wenis, has just been a generally good guy, CMFQRZ (I know that’s not right), has also been a good guy.  Others such as drew102e have been nice to me, as well as d4rkdrago0n, and gft77, who helped me with the PS3 journal thread (another timely contribution).  Pizzaturdell and I once had an argument, and we solved it like gentlemen (and received a compliment from d4rkdrag0on for doing so), and moved on.  We later got along, and helped me with a question in the film industry.  

To all the other innocent standbyers, I’m sorry.   I would like to apologize for any inconveniences my actions have caused to any of you.  I’m also sorry that I can no longer contribute the knowledge I have.  That said, so long as the mods don’t sink any LOWER and BAN me, my PM box will be open, so if you’d like to ask for my MSN messenger address via PM, I’d be glad to help you with anything technologically ANY time on MSN messenger, be it computer, software, or game related.  I’ll set it to email notification, so I can log in when I get a new Private message.  

Simply put, I’m too hurt, and too unappreciated around here by the ungrateful staff, which I’ve helped better the site for, and contribute to.  I feel that I should waste no more of my time on this site.  To all of you who have been good people, I owed you this explanation, because that’s the kind of man I am.  Remember, the PM box is open, so long as the mods aren’t banning me for this.  (Please note, there are no obscenities anywhere in this post, or flaming).   To everyone, even those I’ve taken issue with.  Goodbye, good luck, and God bless.

Sincerely,
Steve
Let me start by saying that I really appreciated all the help you've given me with in the PS area. Your journal was a first for this site, and I think it really brought a more human side to the PS3.

I understand where your coming from and can also understand why you'd be upset. I have no doubt that no matter where you go you'll be successful, because not only are you an intelligent person, but a really good guy.

Again I'm sorry to see you go, but I hope this sheds some light on everyone and reminds us that we don't have to agree with our counterparts, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt and treat them like we'd want to be treated.

farewell my friend

marc
peacee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT7Qo59zm...ed&search=

Congrats SC7, you just got Rick Rolled.
Though I enjoyed your PS3 Journal, so... goodbye Smile
sc7, I am genuinely saddened to see a member of your calibre leave.

I feel that you have misunderstood a lot of the recent events, and I would ask that you contact me in private if you would like a complete explanation from myself.

I sincerely hope you will reconsider.
bye hope other site don't treat u like that
Sorry to see you go sc7. I havn't been able to be active as much recently but have always appreciated serious discussions and loved that at the very least you didn't reply with things like "PS3 ownzz y00".

Nothing I hate more than someone who can't back up or explain their positions and opinions. It never was an issue with you as far as I could see. I hope you reconsider.

sc7 Wrote:
After contacting Z6Joker9, I was assured that in a measure of gratitude, the warnings would be removed (after working with d4rk to remove them).  I was content with that, not on the basis of status, but on the basis of principle.  When I came back a few hours later, I found myself being informed, a whole different tune from Joker.  That the system was in place for that reason, and that the decision will be withheld.  The only thing worse to me than getting the warning, was now being told is was going to be removed, and then it not happening.  To me, I found this to be the ultimate sign of disrespect and lack of appreciation.


sc7, I'd first like to apologize for making you feel this way, as this was certainly not my aim. I do believe that this, as is much of the problems that have arisen lately, are the product of misunderstandings. I never changed my tune about your warning percentage, and as a manner of principle, would have gladly removed the percentage points if not due to the technical limitations of the system.

The change of tune came from myself thanking you for coming to me with the situation, and letting me handle it, and then watching you air it in public. I simply explained why the warning points existed, and why they should not be met with such overreaction. I never retracted my statement that I would remove your warning points, if I could, and locked the thread because issues like that (and this one) should be resolved privately if possible. I even invited you to contact me again if you still felt as though it needed discussion. As you can see, there is absolutely no good that can come from making a post such as that one or this one, but much can be worked out through being reasonable through more private means.

As you can probably tell, rarely now do I have the personal time to spend as much on this site as I did when I started it. I've been grateful to have a great pool of members from which to choose our staff from, and I depend on them to help run the site for the best of all of our members. Our moderators have a function to serve, and they cannot do it if I'm second guessing every call they make. If they make a bad call, and it becomes an issue, I handle the matter as privately as possible. That doesn't mean it wasn't handled, it just means that it took place behind closed doors, which I feel is most appropriate.

If you have truly had a staff position on forums of this size, I would please ask you to review all that has happened and all that I have written from that selfless point of view, and perhaps it will make more sense to you. If you must go, I will be saddened, because as I said before, you contribute much to this site. Again, I do not have such a large amount of time, and situations like this are generally handled by d4rk, so by handling it personally, and spending the time to type out replies such as this one, I would hope you'd see the amount of respect that I have for you. If you think that your relationship with this site is still worth preserving, please contact myself or d4rk so that we can deal with this matter in private.

Dude i have gotten 20 of those forum warning system letters
I'm very sad to see you go. You were a great asset in helping me find my Wii and I am very grateful to you. Thank you so very much for all the time you've spent here helping others such as myself. I appreciate it.
I know how you feel, exactly how you feel. I'm not going to write you off as if you're already gone because that would be a pretty bad blow to this site. Knowledgeable members are who the people seeking answers run to. You know a lot, I'm not gonna lie. You contribute a great deal to this site and you leaving, (to put it bluntly) would suck.

I really hope you reconsider sc7.

Kingdamion Wrote:
Dude i have gotten 20 of those forum warning system letters

Have you ever thought that there was a reason behind that?

Nope just people hating on me i guess
good luck wherever you decide on going

sc7 Wrote:
Simply put, I’m too hurt, and too unappreciated around here by the ungrateful staff, which I’ve helped better the site for, and contribute to. 

I would hardly call us ungrateful. We were amazed and happy that you breathed life into numerous things, so we'll be sad to see you go.

It is to bad to see you going. Take care.
I've not personally had any issues with the moderators here and perhaps I should keep my nose out of where it probably doesn't belong, but it's less than encouraging to see people like sc7 who actually contribute intelligent insight to the site on the subjects for which the site was originally intended pushed away in order to allow for more members who would rather waste time making up stupid forum games and convolluting the forums with unintuitive posts with improper grammar and spelling and general fanboyism.

Goodbye sc7, hopefully your departure (or threat thereof) will help the moderators make WiiLoaded a better place to visit.
before this thread goes any further, i'd like to state that there were just a lot of misunderstandings, and we were in NO WAY pushing him away to make room for forum games -_-;; that would be kind of insane, on our part.

the issues have been resolved, but GlueGun, if you have some things you'd like to discuss, please pm me or another mod about them, and we can talk through PMs.
Damn it. I used enjoy reading most of your threads and posts. Its a shame to see you leave. I hope you find a good replacement forum.
Am I correct in saying you've had second thoughts? If so.. Nice to see you staying, gives me more to read on the forums Smile
Correct.

sc7 ftw.

Glad the misunderstandings have been sorted out.
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