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Ah okay.
I would just like to say that Vista is a bit crap for gaming atm but I think Microsoft is working on it. I heard a few complaints about it

Yeah which is one of the big reasons i'm using xp still as of right now. Like i said the pc is almost another game console for me and i prefer not to deal with vista issues when trying to play a game.

And this is the crux of Vista to me. Although the NT kernel is, IMHO, fine, the OS on top of it all needs a lot of work. Regardless, what I'm saying is, the changes make much old hardware have issues (older LSI chips simply don't operate at the frequency or order that Vista requires, and that demands much more complex drivers for compatibility). New drivers also get more attention. I think Xp should be for any machine older than 2 before Vista (Jan 31, 2007). Anything newer is great with Vista, with support, and speed, before that, it should probably get cut. It's like running OS X 10.4 on a G3, doable, but not totally recommended. Many older iBooks with FW were supported for Tiger, but I saw many issues with the ATI graphics that were never quite fixed.

I wouldn't plan on updating any G4 Macs to Leopard either. There's that difference between supported and running well. Bottom line, Vista is best on new hardware put together with Vista support in mind.

Exactly..... but some manufacturers are skimping on the hardware specs, and then putting VISTA stickers on everything.

I seriously saw some compaq crap thing posting 256MB RAM with Vista home on it.... Ugh... No wonder PC n00bs hate it so much.

Ugh, Macs.. Don't get me started..

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Vista doesn't even run on 256MB. I wonder how they pulled that off.

Please, do share, I'd like to hear why you hate Macs...
As a software engineer, I'd like to say Mac OS X is the nicest user OS I've seen put out. It's got the stability/reliability/security of a UNIX/POSIX system. On top, it has a very nice GUI, with a UI designed in coherence to Fitt's law (google it). It has a package manager which makes software installation simple, and removal even easier.

I've yet to see one OS be so user friendly, and technologically superior to the core as Mac OS X. The hardware? That's a debatable issue, but once again, the hardware fits perfectly into the house for most general users, looks nice, and is well-engineered. Price and configuration, not my favorite part. But anyone who says Windows as a WHOLE (certain aspects it is), is superior to OS X, has no idea what they're talking about.

Hmm, I do like Macs in a way. My sister recently bought a new iMac and my sisters fiance just bought a macbook, they started dissing Windows as soon as they bought theirs (they were dissing macs before they got them, im confused..). They basically forced me to take a look at them, yeah, I like the design and the looks, but I mean it's not serious computing in my opinion. I wouldn't be able to get on with some of my college work on a mac (maybe thats just me). Also, there is hardly any software available compared to that of Windows. Yeah, macs are great but I just couldn't see myself buying one and ditching a Windows computer.
I'm not dissing Macs or anything, I guess im just a Windows Geek or something

Ah, and that's where some rumors are needed to be dispelled.

First, let me get this out of the way:
The worst thing about Macs is the arrogant userbase.

Anyway, Macs are great for serious computing, the OS is designed from the ground up to offer a completely better system.

iWork/Office 2004(8) offer a complete feature set of spreadsheets, word processing, etc. For databases, Filemaker Pro is a good solution. In many cases, Apple's Pages offers easier to use, nicer looking features as well.

It also has all of the Adobe creative software, as well as Apple's own pro tools. It has Maya for CAD support as well.

Still, it is quite an adjustment, and the setup is actually geared nicely for those who want to do casual work/creative stuff (iLife). But it can do serious work, and as far as the tech stuff, with FinkCommander and Terminal, you can do almost as much as linux can in a terminal.

Sounds good but I don't think I would get used to it like I am with Windows now, plus MSN Messenger on a Mac isn't that good (Microsoft should update it!)

You can run windows on Macs now too if you ever want a mac and not the OS, but I honestly am not a fan of Mac hardware one bit. And even though i'm not a big fan of macs i'll admit its probably because i'm unfamiliar with it, I used to be the same way with various linux distros but once I played around with them they started to grow on me.

Corrected

And I guess I will have to play with my sisters iMac for a bit then to see if it grows on me

The main things that I'd miss from my PC if I went mac is Visual Studio and all my games*.

That and I'd have to re-buy all my software -_-


*don't say bootcamp. You can hardly put a 8800 into an imac, now can you

MSN Messenger for mac is total BS. When I need it, I start up Xp in Parallels, that's how bad the mac port is.

But the majority of people don't care about games, macs won't sacrifice all the rest they have going for them, to cater to gamers. In addition, most high end graphics work is done on Macs, which do have powerful cards.

Visual Studio, lol. If you really _must_ run VS.net, Parallels allows it to be run pretty easily from within the Mac OS itself.

Isn't debugging a ***** though?