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Yeah, we all hate these guys but here is his story...explain yourself reseller scum:

I saw your article on the Wii shortage and in the spirit of the holiday I want to come clean and confess my consumer sins. I am a reseller.

I have resold : -10 Nintendo Wiis (each for 150 over list) -3 Iphones (for 200 dollars over list, each) -5 Playstation3 consoles (for 300 to 500 dollars over list, each. A total of nearly 2000 in profit.)

I started this side business with the release of the PS3. Months prior to launched to fund my purchase of one by buying five and reselling on Craiglist. I made the purchase on a credit card, in full, nearly 4 months before launch at a smaller electronics store in the Chicago suburbs...

I picked them up day of and listed them. By the end of the auctions I had made nearly 1000 dollar in excess of my own PS3 purchase. I ended up listing my own machine as well, as the demand was insane. All told, I cleared nearly 2000 dollars in profit. I still haven't bought a PS3 actually.
I received death threats, e-mails from people saying I was "a monster" and someone claiming I was "selling her child's Christmas away!" Someone even went so far as to contact Ebay and claim I was selling porn. People were livid at the profit being made.

The Iphone launch was even more insane. I saw people listing them on Craigslist just hours after launch for 800/900 bucks. So I went to the apple store in downtown chicago and bought 2, my girlfriend bought one as well. There was no line, it was the 30th of june, less than 24 hours after launch. I sold all three on Craigslist that night for 200 bucks over cost.

The Wiis have been a steady stream of income. I'm a casual video game player but I got to know the guy who runs my local Gamestop. He told me when they get their deliveries and said Wii's were first come, first serve. Since the summer I've bought 10 of them and sold them for an average of 150 bucks over cost.

The Wiis are the where I feel some degree of guilt. After a year they're still ridiculously rare. I'd really advise people to get to know their game-sellers. Think of what the average gamestore employee gets treated like by hyper kids, angry parents and surly trade-in people. Treat them as people, give them some empathy and chat them up a bit and they'll happily get you in the know. They're not breaking any laws or company policy, just helping out a 'valued customer'.

The managers are the best to get to know. Their turnover is usually quote low. They usually work on new release days, especially for big games. Coming in when the store is slow (before school lets out) is a good time.

Avoid big box stores. Total waste of time. Their turnover rate of employees are ridiculous. No chance to build up a relationship. These stores also keep a very watchful eye on employees, so a lot of them might be nervous about anything that might get them in trouble. Even the "appearance of impropriety" can be enough.

Should you buy from me or other resellers? First and foremost, if you're buying something for more than retail, you're paying what I like to call "FIRSTIES!" tax. You want to be the first guy at the office to have an Iphone? Or have the first PS3 video on youtube? What is it worth to you? I sold two iphones to one guy who simply wanted to show it off to his fellow lawyers at court. One of the PS3 fans who bought from me wrote me a page long message of thanks. He'd just paid nearly a grand for a 600 game console and he could not stop thanking me.

I've had people in my life question the morality of what I've done. One friend stopped talking to me altogether, saying that the money I'd made selling Wiis was "like taking candy from kids". To me, that's nonsense.

I've never bribed anyone, lied to anybody or stalked any stores. I'd never camp out, never grabbed something from a kid or fought shoppers. Actually, I hate shopping, I do most of my buying online and deal hunt, comparison shop and consult sites like consumerist.

Look, if you really want an item, wait for it to be plentiful. The rush on stores, the camping the fighting? That's a mug's game. The people who I've sold things to...frankly...I don't think they're very bright. They've certainly helped me (paid off most of my car, rent for a couple months, some nice dinners with friends, plenty of books) but I think they were ultimately being led on by media hype and greed frenzy. Paying twice the price for something you can usually wait a while and get on sale? Not worth it.

-Garrett (a reseller)

Have you ever bought a hyped up product from someone like Garrett? Ever sold something on eBay or Craigslist for more than you paid for it? Why did you do it?

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How can they call him a scumbag? I sold my Wii to someone for more than I bought it for, so what? If these people want to make a profit out of selling products for more than they purchased them for, so be it. If you don't like what they are doing then simply don't buy from them.
I bought my Wii off of Craigslist about a year ago for $325.

It bugged me at the time, but I was itching to get back into video games. After my wife and I had a blast playing Paper Mario I decided to check out RE4. Everyone recommended it to me and I was blown away. It got me back into gaming and made my "up charged" Wii purchase WELL worth it.

I did vow that I would however BUY a Wii in the store should I see one and resell it to get even with the Wii gods.

Fast forward a few months later and I was in Chicago hanging out. I saw one in a Target and snagged it. I didn't end up selling it, but I gave it to my friend as a birthday gift. A few months ago I saw one in my local Target in Fort Lauderdale. I again snagged it, but waited till December to sell it.

I sold it for $425 on Ebay 2 weeks before Christmas.
i h8 capitalism
I don't think he's a scumbag. Just last night I was talking about selling my Nintendo Wii and games. 2 amazing games this year from Nintendo just can't keep me happy.

gft77 Wrote:
I don't think he's a scumbag.  Just last night I was talking about selling my Nintendo Wii and games.  2 amazing games this year from Nintendo just can't keep me happy.


Interesting.

Everyone thought I was crazy when I made the "Is anyone concerned about 2008?" thread.

95% of the replies were "oh, don't worry, Nintendo will do just fine"

As if I was personally concerned with Nintendo's bottom line.

No, I too think that 2008 will be a bad year for Wii games. I'm sorry, but when the most exciting games are Mario Go Kart racing or Cupid VS Pokemon Brawl, it's not too thrilling of a prospect.

Glad I have a 360.

Mr Luben II Wrote:
Cupid VS Pokemon Brawl


I was taking you seriously until that point...

gft77 Wrote:
I don't think he's a scumbag.  Just last night I was talking about selling my Nintendo Wii and games.  2 amazing games this year from Nintendo just can't keep me happy.


thats different, you are selling your used wii that you have had for a year

that okay,

this dick is buying in bulk the wiis that you or i as gamer should be able to buy at retail

so F*ck him

I see your point now. He's basically taking them out of stores from people who really want them just for resale and some profit...gotcha
If nobody would buy from these people, they would have no demand.

If everybody in the world could say, "Forget that. $450 for a Wii? Never." Then you wouldn't see -one- on eBay. The few, the proud, the people who feel compelled to be willingly ripped off are just as much to blame as the resellers-- if they could just keep it in their pants (their wallet, c'mon) then those resellers would have a living room full of charged video game stuff that they'd probably have to start returning.


[Edited for my sailor's tongue.]
Going to stores to find them and reseller them to people at a higher cost is a service. Some people don't have the time to wait around to find one (because they have jobs, etc) but can pay more money for them. Other people have more time, but less money. The people will more money are willing to pay someone else to do their searching for them. They are paying a finder's fee. The harder the product is to find, the higher the finder's fee. Is it really that difficult to understand?

The only way to "fix" the problem, if that is what you call it, is to allow retail companies to charge whatever they want for products, and allow their prices to fluctuate like the stock market. Companies like Nintendo place restrictive retail price Wii's so that they are the same price everywhere. This causes this kind of problem when demand is higher than supply.
not difficult to understand at all,

i think its a bullshit practice, and the greedy pricks should be ashamed of themselves,

pricegouging does not equal fair trade

obviously most do not share my viewpoint
I've thought about reselling, but didn't. My wife tried to get me a wii for xmas, and couldn't get one. I told her not to go on craigslist or ebay. So, day after christmas (2007 - just over 2 weeks ago) I called all the local best buys. All said they had none, except on store just outside of Pittsburgh, they had 30 and just put em on the floor. First come first serve. I hauled ass in my car for the 45 minute drive, and walked in to find a few left. People where clutching them like someone was going to steal it from them. I snagged mine, and resisted the urge to grab the remaining ones to resell when I heard an elderly man (who was clutching his wii box like his life depended on it) how he's been looking for one for months for his grandkids. He was so excited - and I realized, that's actually part of the fun for me:

The chase. If I wanted one, I could have paid more on cl or ebay or amazon, and gotten one. But I enjoyed the chase (which was really about 5 minutes of phone calls and one 45 minute drive.) And, now, the tense drive down and the excited drive back from getting my wii was one of those times that I'll always remember.

I don't know why I am telling you all this, or if it made any sense, but I can't stop....
that was fun... the chase for a wii, its funny, a year after lunch we are still hearing stories of the chase for a wii
I feel sad for people who still can't get a Wii after all this time. It's especially sad since I could get so many Wiis right now as they are stockpiled over here and being sold for about $470 each and yes, they are U.S. Wiis being sold here. We also have the Japanese Wii in stock here all the time and it's even cheaper than the U.S. Wii.
have we discussed nintendo artificially keeping supply scarce and thus demand high...

think we talked about that last year but all of us assumed they would be plentiful by now in the states
Yeah, I honestly thought by the middle of 2007 that everyone would have no trouble finding one. It might not be a case of people buying them and they're running out of supplies. As I said, we have so many here and you can get them whenever you want them so it appears that many people are doing as this guy did and reselling them elsewhere. Think about this guy and times him by a couple thousand and you get the picture. I can't blame someone for wanting to make money but I still feel bad for others.
I don't know about 'tendo keeping the supply scarce. I read in some business pub, don't recall where, that it was estimated that Nintendo lost more than 1billion in new revenue this year from not having enough in stock.

So, the demand was there, for another billion in revenue - and if Nintendo kept things scarce on purpose, then they definitely left that meal on the table.
You coulda made a **** ton on Wiis alone...like 300 per console, fifty times 10 consoles, extra 500 dollars, unless you added accessories which would be even more.

Snake Wrote:
How can they call him a scumbag? I sold my Wii to someone for more than I bought it for, so what? If these people want to make a profit out of selling products for more than they purchased them for, so be it. If you don't like what they are doing then simply don't buy from them.

I agree. Besides if ppl weren't willing to throw there money away, then he'd be out of business.

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