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Holly Wrote:
Uh, they would want to keep it illegal because a lot of people would stop drinking and smoking cigarettes if pot were legal. Legalization would be something they could not control


People used to growth their own tobacco and build their own houses.  Companies will find a way to make it efficient, inexpensive, and convenient .  

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because people have already taken it into their hands too much.


Sure, you're local hustler may open a pot shop, but I can assure you that a large company will be supplying him.  Legalizing marijuana increases consumption, which increases demand, which means that people aren't going to want to grow their own weed when they can pick up a prerolled joint for a reasonable price on their way to work.

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What, Jose Cuervo is going to resort to growing pot if it were legal...? *rolls eyes*


Do you understand what a Complmentary Goods is?  An increase in pot use would almost certainly cause an increase in alcohol use, and vice versa.

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People are growing this **** in their homes, their basements, their garages


Because they can't purchase it anywhere... do you grow your own tomatoes, or buy them at the store?

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--you cant exactly do that with tobacco


Yes, you could, but consider how cheap and convenient it is to buy packaged tobacco, why would you?.

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whens the last time you saw a tobacco seed?


Do you realize how difficult and time consuming it is to grow a plant?

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And distilling your own alcohol is illegal.


So is growing marijuana, but people have no problem doing it because they can't walk into a store and choose from 500 different types for under $20.

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Marijuana's future is too much in the hands of the user for them to get any control.


If I haven't changed your mind yet, think of this.  The government will only legalize marijuana on the assumption that they can tax it.  Furthermore, why in the WORLD would any user grow their own plants and nurture them and water them and go through the hassle of all that when they could pick up a small package of 20 joints for under $5 at their local gas station, or a large bag of lose weed for $3 for the roll-it-yourselfers?  Would you?  Let's not forget that selling products is all about marketing, so throw a few ads up and all of a sudden you have various "qualities" of commercial marijuana.  You'll have your Marlboro quality weed, and your Swisher Sweets budget crap, and everything in between.  

Holly Wrote:
Hey, no one said it was perfect. That damage can be avoided 100% by using a vaporizer. They had a responsibility to be honest, something you seem to not think possible considering who funded the study. If thats your theory, then hey, EVERY study is suspect and NONE of them can be trusted, right? I guess I could go ahead and post links to articles about EVERY study done, but the article links would source to NORML, and they must be so biased that they'd post misinformation right? Despite the fact that the results are published in easily verified medical journals?


One study showed that damage can be avoided 100%.  So what.  Yes, every single study is suspect because NO study can take into account every single factor.  We do it to mold our understanding, not to jump to conclusions.  Do you think that just because someone is a doctor, they are reputable?  Just because it's a medical journal, it's trustworthy.  Everybody and everything has their own agenda, and while morality plays a part in their honesty, human nature makes everything skewed and suspect. Newspaper articles reporting about those studies make it even worse, to increase interested... I'm trying to help balance out that skew.

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Still damages bronchial tissue does not equal cancer, death, or even all the negative of a consequence. I'm sure even mild alcohol use or casual cigarette smoking or second hand smoke is worse. But then, the naysayers will hold on to whatever they will, so long as its an argument against marijuana.


I wasn't using it as a comparison against other "vices".  I just wanted to point out that it's not 100% safe, and you shouldn't make it sound so.  We truly do not know the full long term effects because it's not done in a large enough example for us to see.

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There are a lot of things we do in life that cause just as little damage to our systems while over all improving our life. Regular aspirin use, for one.


I absolutely agree with you, I'm certainly not without vices, I just wanted people reading to be clear that there are side effects and health consequences to smoking weed.

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Oh and by the way.
If marijuana was at least as harmful as cigarettes, or even half as harmful, we'd already be seeing the effects: cancer, emphysema. Those things show up in as little as 20 years with cigarettes, yet there is not one documented case of lung cancer from marijuana....hmmm...


How many people do you see smoking 20 or 40 joints a day, every day, for 20+ years?  We just honestly DO NOT KNOW what will happen when people smoke weed that much.  I'm certainly not saying that marijuana causes cancer, I'm just saying that you shouldn't assume it will not with that much use, and you certainly shouldn't make it should like because it does not cause cancer, it is not bad for you.  Who know, it might cause much, much worse with prolonged and substantial use, even if it's just for a small portion of heavy users.  Not every tobacco smoker dies from lung cancer, not even close.

Cliff Notes (for the lazy): I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do it, I'm just saying that you shouldn't use wording that make it seem safe around impressionable teenagers, nor use it to justify your personal lifestyle.  Let people make their own choices, and take responsibility for your own.

Holly Wrote:
uh, they would want to keep it illegal because a lot of people would stop drinking and smoking cigarettes if pot were legal.


not really true, pot smokers drink and smoke cigs too, as beer and cigaretes go well with a joint. or so ive heard

Holly Wrote:
Oh and by the way.
If marijuana was at least as harmful as cigarettes, or even half as harmful, we'd already be seeing the effects: cancer, emphysema. Those things show up in as little as 20 years with cigarettes, yet there is not one documented case of lung cancer from marijuana....hmmm...


inhaling smoke down your lungs is bad no matter what the substance. like i said pot smokers often also smoke cigs which compounds the carcinigens(sp) in the weed so when they die from cancer they no longer smoke weed just cigarettes, or lie about it, as house says, patients lie, it is illegal after all

gotta go im having a nicotine fit...and i really need a beer

Seriously, I don't care what someone does on their own time to themselves, but I can't believe anyone would advocate the use of hallucinogenic drugs on a public site that has kids not in high school regularly accessing it.

To anyone buying into any of these "facts" that hallucinogens aren't damaging to the body, think about this. What causes the hallucinogenic effect? An alteration of perception. If something alters your perception (i.e. changes the way a normal body functions), it obviously isn't physiologically safe. This includes alcohol, tobacco, hallucinogens, uppers, downers, steroids, any drug really. Some of it may be used in the medical profession, but that is under the guidance of real doctors who *should* know all the side effects.

If you smoke, that's great. Just don't try to justify it on a site that is geared towards yound and old.
I don't think anyone was trying to justify or persuade anyone to use anything. I don't smoke and have never even had a cigarette in my mouth. My parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.. all smoked and seeing the condition it put them in made me stay far, far away from them. I have no desire to smoke anything. I'm not going to carry on because this thread has gone way off topic now and we either need to get back to the topic or lock it up.
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