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Possible Format:

9 Entrants.

Stock w/time limit (2 Stock w/7 Minutes?)

Most seem to agree that while Timed matches allow for fun to continue until the bell rings, often who wins is more of a KO-Stealer than anything. Stock will clearly define a victor.

Multiple Rounds to decide a Bout (Three?)

Think of this like a Grand Prix in Mario Kart. You get awarded points depending on how you place at the end of the match, and
at the end of X matches these points are added up to see who's the WINNAR!

Point Assignment:
First Place - ?
Second Place - ?
Last Place - ? (Should he be awarded some for trying? I think so.)

The WINNAR then gets to move on to the next Bout at a later time. The WINNAR of that Bout will then be crowned TEH CLUSTAR CHAMPEEN!

Items: Low or OFF
There are multiple rounds for two reasons; the unlucky streak of being pummeled on by your two adversaries for a length of time, and the possible random element items add to a match (if turned on). With the item switch on Low it seems very rare for powerful things to appear, but sometimes things DO go wacky and you get two of a really awesome thing, and nothing else the rest of a match.

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Expecting people to individually tweak what's what for every player is too much of a pain in the butt.


Some Weirdo Wrote:
A strange idea that's crept into my mind... one can argue four-player matches with all items on turn into clusters. One can argue that traditional two-player matches are boring.

But what of a triple threat? A gametype where items *may* be turned on, but the overbearing "Party" items such as slow-time clocks and Smash Balls are turned off entirely? If this were to happen, what items would make the cut? I say anything that wasn't in the original smash brothers needs to be looked at. Closely.

This makes me wish Sakurai had the consideration to have item sets like Mario Kart. In that game I think the Strategic set suits it the most for serious play (it mirrors the original Mario Kart), and this is the mindset I have for this idea for Smash Brothers right now. Being more like the Original, less party clusters and more subtlety.

Needless to say, this isn't sanctioned by either Nintendo or whatever insular forum that usually produces rulesets so there shouldn't be rankings. I'm trying to find a combination of both fun and personal ability.

Recovery items should be banned completely, as should explosive weapons.

Beam Swords seem far more broken in this game.

Banana Peels would be okay.

Pokeballs and Assist Trophies would be banned.
I can safely say transformation items are nonsense. Metal, Bunny, Mushrooms and Stars shouldn't be in this thing...

Gear should be discarded too. No badges or screw-attacks.

I can only test with AI right now but the item frequency set to low feels right. You aren't exactly being bombarded with them, so when they appear it's a factor instead of a given.

Figured out you can't turn off Capsules or Party Balls so whatever we think of them they'll show up in some quantity during a match. The only thing that can be altered is whether to get rid of Crates or Flame Crates (which are clearly marked as BOMBS!) from spawning.

The real question is which battering and throwing items are too crazy.
A triple threat tourney would be cool. The only reason I would want Items in this tourney is because there is a possibility that 2 opponents could gang up on one. So you have to try and include an Item to prevent that. But otherwise i wouldn' really join a tourney with items. This is an exception tho.
banana peels would definitely be allowed since diddy gets to pull them out anyways Toungue
So how do we test this garbage out?

Do all three participants have to have their settings done right, or is it based on the room host? It's easy enough setting up one of your tournaments by just flipping the switch to off... bothers the hell out of me that there's no Item Sets like in Mario Kart.

Maybe it'll work if we just set everything to low. Maybe not.

[Edit]

Messing around with the computer reveals that while the powerful stuff still appears, it's very rare. Went several matches without a smash ball or anything else insanely powerful. When they DO appear it's a delightful little treat.

Just setting everything to LOW could be a feasible alternative if it's too much of a pain in the ass to individually turn things on or off for online play involving multiple people. We should try this out later.

...Actually, I'm starting to like the game with everything set to Low, period. Feels a little more... manageable. Not quite boring, and not quite bat---- insane.
The game is far from boring with no items on.
Maybe you're right. Maybe this triple threat can work just fine without items - there's still that element of "Oh hell I have to worry about two people" but it'll always boil down to a showdown once the third is eliminated during the match.

Anyway, someone needs to shout out a day we can screw around like this when bored... even if Brawl's online will probably be so broken laggy from 3 people being in one match together it'll be unplayable.

Notice:

I edited the first post to reflect that the rules can either be Items Low, or Off, depending on player preferences. Going into the Switch menu for each individual thing is too much of a pain in the butt.

Another important question:
How many stocks? 2? 3? More?
Put a time limit on top of that?
Maybe 2 stock with a time limit of 7 minutes. Usually a 2 stock match ends quickly. A three stock match may last longer and may not provide the oppurtunity for a replay.
I prefer 2-stock matches myself since it'll allow for more than one bout. Something tells me that even if all items are off people will still feel cheated if they get beat on a lot by the other two guys in a particular match, and want another shot. Same goes for the items. On Low it's usually rare for powerful stuff to appear... but I did have one strange match where two smash balls and a donut food item spawned.

I guess the question is should there even BE more than one bout? Three men, three matches, whomever gets the most star point thingies next to his name is the winner?

Last issue: We'd need at least 9 people for this. Winners of each of the three sets would move onto the final fight, and then win an internet.

So if this poop flies...

Items Low/Off (Up to the participants)
2 stock w/7 minute limit
3 rounds to decide a bout.

Yes? No? Spaghetti?
Seems concrete. I dont mind being a guinea pig for this tourney.It should be fun.
Only issue is getting all 3 people online at the same time. Its already hard enough to get 2 people online....*cough* FEL-X *cough*
Yeah, not having a general "THIS IDIOT IS ONLINE" list really hurts the Wii. Even the ability to poke your friends as they idle in the Brawl online menu would've been nice. "SO AND SO WANTS TO PUNCH YOU IN THE NUTS."

Also, I've seen some pretty nasty blowups in the Official Match & Tournament threads over whose Epeen is what, so I figure an off the record bout like this would be a good thing for anyone involved. Less bitching, less clusterluck, more awesome.
I like the star-counting idea to decide a winner. That's just the number of kills, unadulterated by number of SDs.

My friend and I will disregard who wins every round when we battle, and just look at the final star count, so I'm all about this system. (By the way, it's usually around 74-50, me. Booya.)
The only alternative is arbitrarily coming up with some retarded point awarding system based on placing post-match...

Keep it simple, stupid! Sakurai put those Stars there for a reason I gather, so that's what they're being used for. You can still see the Star Count of the other players when online, right?
What makes point awarding system based on positions retarded? Enlighten me, please.
Actually I dont think you can see your opponents stars after a match (in the character select) but if you mean the results of the match and count the K.O's then yeah
I'll see for myself with a few With Anyone bouts this afternoon - I'd rather rely on what's in the game than invent one myself that'll most likely be broken.

[Edit]

Looks like Sourpuss is gonna have to whip up some arbitrary numbers because I can't see other people's Stars when online!
Yeah but cant you just count the number of K.O's during the match? And not count SD's or TKO's ?
Yar, we can.

If we didn't, then we'd have to figure out if the guy in third place gets any points, and if not, how many points the guys in second and first get.

Either way it'll take penciling a score onto a pad to keep track of things as you go. Grr... I liked how the Stars counted for you.
True. Also we have to worry about players that quickly press the start button so we cant see the score. They should be DQ'ed if that happens since they could easily lie about their score.
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