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M3D Wrote:
After a full spring and summer of competition, the SBR felt as though it was time to take the first stab at a tier list for Brawl. Before I post it, let me remind you all of a few important things:


1. Tier placement doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to beat your friends with a specific character. You might beat your friend's Metaknight with Sonic, but that doesn't mean Sonic is top tier. It means you win that matchup against your friend. Tiers are not absolute measurements of match outcomes.

2. Instead of measuring match outcomes, tiers are more a measurement of potential of characters against the rest of the cast in a competitive, 1v1 tournament environment. It shows general strength of a character's abilities in a specific tournament environment. So yes, maybe Yoshi is a beast in teams or Ganon is REALLY good with items turned on... but this list measures somethingd different than those things.

3. This list is based on a combination of tournament result data, extensive discussions with top players and tournament hosts and looking at general trends in play in the current competitive metagame. It took a lot of work on the part of some of the best minds in Smash to compile this list.

4. This list might change with time. It is based on how we perceive the game to be and play it competitively NOW. However, if a replacement for l-canceling is discovered or new tactics cause the game to evolve over time, this list could change. So if you main a character that isn't near the top, keep playing and evolving their game. You might be the one, like Chu Dat's Ice Climbers back in Melee, that cause people's opinions to change.

5. That said, don't give up hope! Just because your character isn't ranked at or near the top, doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with them with enough talent and effort. We do not publish this list to encourage players to change their main tournament character. If anything, it should serve as a challenge to take the game to the next level.

6. In Smash, any character can win in any matchup if you are smarter and better than your opponents by a wide enough margin. So keep playing to win and work hard to be the best player you can be, regardless of which character you use.


And without further ado, I present to you the official SBR Brawl Tier List (v1.0):

Top
Meta Knight
Snake
King Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
R.O.B.

High
Marth
Wario
Lucario
Donkey Kong
Diddy
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Pit
Wolf

Middle
Toon Link
Olimar
Fox
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Bowser
Luigi
Peach
Ike
Shiek

Low
Lucas
Ness
Mario
Pokémon Trainer
Samus
Yoshi
Sonic
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Link
Captain Falcon


Looks pretty good to me. Now, discuss. It'll change and evolve over time obviously but this is how it stands atm.

Looks pretty good, although I think Kirby should be a bit lower. And perhaps Ike should have been a bit higher. Overall, not bad.
Didn't anyone pay attention to Dr. Wright's presentation?

Tiers are for Queers!
I think Ike should be higher. As should Bowser and Zelda. But everything else looks pretty good.

NBbowler Wrote:
Didn't anyone pay attention to Dr. Wright's presentation?

Tiers are for Queers!


No, that saying is. So, if you don't like tiers: Leave this thread. They are going to be here whether you like them or not.

Rooster Wrote:
I think Ike should be higher. As should Bowser and Zelda. But everything else looks pretty good.


I agree about Zelda. But Ike and Bowser have a couple of tough match-ups against the higher characters in the tier list, thus keeping them down a little. I'm just glad Bowser made it that high.

However, further note is that it's only v1.0, so it'll evolve over time. As new techniques are discovered characters will rise or fall.

Although I really dont pay much attention to tiers, since i main both Mid to low tier characters, this list looks aight. My only dissagreement is that Mario is in the Low tier quadrant. Mario has a decent recovery, good projectile, jab lock, decent combo ability (Utilt combo and bair and Uair combos are great) and other qualities. Its odd to me that Ike is higher than Mario since Ike has a weakness with his ending lag in sum of his moves.


Im ok with sonic's position since i know he is low tier. And its good that he isnt on the very bottom.

Then again this is my oppinion. Lol.
Decent tier list regardless.
Well, like I said. The list will evolve from here. I mean, look at the first Melee Tier List. It was strange but soon shifted into it's logical positioning. Although Mario could possibly be a little higher.
True. Especially now that Mario and Sonic mains are quite scarce nowadays. But I have now been focusing on Mario a bit more since my clan mates have said that i am much better with him than sonic. Its not that im worse with sonic but he's a bit predictable.
This is something I have felt about Sonic, with so few moves he relies heavily on his speed to control the match.

lm-x Wrote:

Rooster Wrote:
I think Ike should be higher. As should Bowser and Zelda. But everything else looks pretty good.


I agree about Zelda. But Ike and Bowser have a couple of tough match-ups against the higher characters in the tier list, thus keeping them down a little. I'm just glad Bowser made it that high.

However, further note is that it's only v1.0, so it'll evolve over time. As new techniques are discovered characters will rise or fall.


I didn't say Zelda before, and I'm ashamed. Zelda is one of my mains, and yes, she should be higher. ZSS may have been placed a bit too low as well.

lm-x Wrote:
This is something I have felt about Sonic, with so few moves he relies heavily on his speed to control the match.

Yes. his lack of highly damaging moves was problematic to me.

Zelda should definatley be moved up, and I think Link deserves a little more than last tier.
Link has very few advantages in Brawl, compared to his Melee self (which still had very few options, but at least had more)
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