i gotta watch it again, not sure whats goin on
but a good episode, very nice
BTW, mr punisher sir, what praytell have you done with my forum buddie manaburn
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Kudos to Mohinder for taking down the Haitian and doing the right thing. He shouldv'e killed Sylar in the past, but oh well.
Did anyone notice the Issac connection with the painting at Linderman's and Nathan/Sylar in the Oval Office. Interesting.
Pissed Hiro is not good. Ando has to survive the bomb so that the Hiro we know and love stays around.
Another thing, that scar on Peter's face is evidence this is not future fact and only a vision of the future that could have been. (we all hope)
Thoughts?
Speculation on the future episode and what in the world was going on:
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It seems unclear what kind of timeline Present Day Hiro and Ando jumped to.
It's one where someone blows up NYC, but Claire still lives, ...but then so does Sylar. It's a little confusing at first glance, but I think I've broken it down in the most simple way I can.
This is the future of the world that Present Day Hiro and Ando left.
This would be the outcome if they hadn't jumped into the future.
Weird I know, but it still exists as they experience it, solely because they had not gone back yet, once they did so, this future would be altered or cease to exist.
This is the future as if they had never jumped, but just kept going on with their actions in the present. (Don't worry, keep reading)
F. Hiro is where things are a little confusing. He comes from a timeline where the cheerleader was not saved, where Sylar had her power and healed himself in NYC when Hiro tried to kill him. However, that is not the timeline he finds himself in this episode. This Future Hiro is the one who went to our TV timeline and told Peter "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World." The thing is, once doing so, he jumped forward to what would have been his timeline, but has been newly changed/created by his action. So Claire is now alive. However, F. Hiro still only knows what he has experienced in his original timeline, and does not know what has transpired in the timeline he has just jumped into, even if it is mostly the same.
Basically this future is a transitional timeline, wherein we are between the actions of our current day Hiro and Ando. In this timeline, the cheerleader has been saved, but "the world" has not. Sylar lives because our current heroes have yet to kill the version of him without Claire's powers. And Peter still blows up because no one outside his family and Linderman yet knows he is the bomb nor has it been figured out how to stop him - its a future, as we have seen so far in the series, where Linderman has persuaded Nathan to let Peter blow up.
So there are three timelines:
#1 one which we never really see, where F. Hiro came from, wherein the cheerleader dies, but is similar to #2
#2 which is what we have seen on TV up until Hiro & Ando jump to the future of that time, and includes this episode where we see what the outcome would have been had they not jumped.
#3 which will now branch from #2, the difference being Hiro & Ando can change things since they have new information.
We don't know if all the things in #2's will transpire - resulting in the future we saw - but they are determined by what happens from this point forward on the TV timeline.
Hopefully, with the new information that P. Hiro & Ando have been given by F. Hiro and Peter, as well as Issac's last 9th Wonders book found in F. Hiro's pocket right before they go back, they will be able to at least kill Sylar and stop "the bomb," thus preventing the future we saw, and creating a more peaceful outcome.
So that brings the whole time-travel business to the most simple version. It could be that it's all one timeline, and they end up with that future anyway, but what's the fun in that if we know where everyone ends up?
Being Heroes, there are still a couple burning questions, however:
We still don't know if Sylar was in fact the bomb in timeline #1, but if it was Peter in both #1 and #2 and if he will still be the bomb in this new #3 or if it is someone else?
Or will they be able to stop it from happening at all?
We still don't know how it all goes down.
If it is Peter, why and how?
How did Peter get his scar in timeline #2, especially now that he has Claire's ability? (he has it in timeline #1, however, as F. Hiro mentions it in his first appearance)
And one that I'm quite interested to find out:
In the future we saw Jessica was no longer inhabiting Niki's mind and - as far as I can tell - no longer possessed super strength.
How did she lose Jessica and did her power actually go with her?
The only way I can think of Pete getting that scar is if the Haitian blocks the healing power while Pete gets slashed... but when Pete and Claude were attacked by Bennet and the Haitian on the roof of the Deveaux building, Pete's power's were not blocked... so maybe someone else can block power...?
That's all I've got for now. Lemme know what you all think.
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Haha Sorry about that! I tried to pare it down as much as I could. I wrote it all out and then would start a new document and try to simplify it... It fried my brain too.
But I think it makes sense. I watched Back to the Future II on TV the other day, that helped me wrap my head around it a great deal... But we really don't know until the last three episodes what kind of time travel deal Heroes follows.
Does that explanation make sense tho, Mana? Explained it to a couple of my friends and they pretty much agree.
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Indeed.
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Remember F.Hiro asks P.Hiro if he killed Sylar yet? That's all that really changed (that we can forsee as of yet), that they can kill Sylar because he never got Claire's power. But because P.Hiro hasn't actually gone back and done it yet, the future remains the same.
...But even that doesn't save the world, because F.Hiro assumed Sylar was also the bomb. From what we know, Peter is the bomb. Killing Sylar will only stop his murderous rampage, but if no one relizes the truth and helps Peter...then NYC is still destroyed! Oh the conundrum!
I can't wait for this episode!
Anyway, spoilers for those who haven't seen the "Five Years Gone" episode (April 30th) are abound in the Q&A and below, so steer clear if you're not caught up.
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You had us at “Hiro Prime.” This is as best we can explain it now without spoiling the next three episodes. As far as Future Hiro explains, it is a two step process. Save the cheerleader from Sylar. Then stab him. When he visits Peter on the subway, he'd stabbed him, but he regenerates. So he needs Peter to save the cheerleader. He jumps back to his time, expecting change but gets a similar world (Claire's alive, but in hiding). See the webcomic “String Theory” for the play-by-play. Then he finds the wild-cards sitting in his loft. Hiro and Ando. He needs to get Hiro back to complete the second part – stabbing Sylar.
Then later, they take part of my question to further clarify:
It's slightly different from the world's future Hiro came from, simply because the Cheerleader was saved. But as Hiro notices the world hasn't changed all that much on its face. The bomb still went off. And as to whether Hiro and Ando's jump was important, that will play out "in the coming weeks."
Looks like I made everyone's brains hurt with my wording...! At least that's solved, know we can go into the last three episodes with hope for change.
Read the rest of the Q&A here.
There are no spoilers, its mainly questions asked, and either clarification or a tease is given as an answer. They also talk about plans for next season, a book(?) about what happened between Hiro and Charlie for that time he was in the past trying to save her, as mention that the online comics will continue all summer and what some of them may be about. Probably the best resource for burning questions and the like.
I'm so importing...