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i have a speculation about Hiro

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in volume 2 shown last night, he appears somewhere in the outskirts of china i think they said. he was in the past. remember the stories his father used to tell him about. Hiro was the one who those stories were based on in the past! it all makes sense.
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Interesting idea about Hiro.  Hopefully he doesn't have to cut out his heart like in his story.  Overall, I liked the finale, but I have a few lingering questions.  Why didn't Peter fly away?  He can use more than one power at once or was he too scared.  If so, we need to get that boy some training. (assuming he is not dead....which I am).  Did Hiro stop time to stab Sylar?  Maybe I need to watch it again.
This show kicks ass

I put it on my ipod yesterday and I didn't sleep, I could not put it down.
***Guys, remember to include spoiler tags if it has to do with the recent episodes, those overseas are still a couple episodes behind...!***

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i have a speculation about Hiro

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in volume 2 shown last night, he appears somewhere in the outskirts of china i think they said. he was in the past. remember the stories his father used to tell him about. Hiro was the one who those stories were based on in the past! it all makes sense.


Although that would be interesting...
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...I believe that the solo samurai on the opposite end of the field was the hero refered to in Mr. Nakamura's stories, Kensei. He had a flag with the helix "S" symbol on it, as well as the Kensei sword that Hiro pursues for half the season. You only see it in quick cuts, so it's easy to miss.
I was really glad that we saw a glimpse of next season, should be a good one, now that the creators have a better idea of how it all works.. I read in an interview with the writers that the first half of the second season ("Generations") focuses on the elder heroes: Mr. & Mrs. Petrelli, Linderman, Mr. Nakamura and hopefully Mr. Deveaux and Claude. I really enjoyed seeing the flashbacks in "Company Man" and the dream with Mr. Deveaux in the finale.

What'd everyone think of the finale? I was pleased with most of it. Some gruesome deaths and near-deaths, some characters coming out of their shells, and probably the best part of the finale was Molly talking about the person worse than Sylar and how when she thinks about him, he can see her...? Friggin. creepy. So well delivered by the actress, really sets something up for next season...
I was also happy to see DL kick some butt with the most bada** move of the finale, Nikki getting herself together and being brave enough to use her power, and Nathan finally standing up for something he believes in and not being influenced by every shmo that walks through the door. Peter probably will survive, but I do worry for Nathan...

The only thing that bothered me was the fight with Sylar was a little weak - good to see all of them contributing - but still a tiny bit more Peter v Sylar action would have been cool. And the lame non-cliffhangers between the last three eps. .. #20: Peter: "I'm gonna blow! Claire shoot me!" ..#21: Peter: "Nevermind i got it." ....
the standoff between Mohinder, HRG and Molly, with HRG set to shoot the little girl (even if Mo... shoots .. him...?) ...#22: Molly: "Hey I know you, Officer Parkman!" Matt: "Oh hey, yeah, she's cool. Don't shoot her, Noah." Really needless repetition.

Otherwise great show, great season. Definately picking up the DVD and tuning in next year! ...Now if only I could get a part on the show...?
i was thinking some of the same things
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the guy that can c molly when she thinks of him is probably gonna be a new villain in this next volume. peter is still alive becuase the episode when everyone was in the future 5 years ahead peter was still alive even tho he caused the explosion. as for nathan, hes probably dead. i hope the mind reading cop is still alive. im worried for ando because everything in book comes true... and ando died in it.

wii for me Wrote:
i was thinking some of the same things
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the guy that can c molly when she thinks of him is probably gonna be a new villain in this next volume. peter is still alive becuase the episode when everyone was in the future 5 years ahead peter was still alive even tho he caused the explosion. as for nathan, hes probably dead. i hope the mind reading cop is still alive. im worried for ando because everything in book comes true... and ando died in it.


No worries
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Ando's fine! That's why Hiro left him in Japan, so there's no way he'd die that day. In the comic, Ando died at Sylar's hand. But Hiro saved him.

Interesting you bring up the comic tho. Usually most everything Issac paints has come true. But Ando's death and the destruction of NYC now have been prevented. Also Nathan may not make it into the White House... unless that is again Sylar...? ..What a little creep.

Anyone else wonder if Linderman is going to come back..? He can heal himself after all.
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Linderman doesn't heal automatically like claire though, he has to choose what to heal.

I Recon that peter is still alive, there's no way the could kill him off. and I also wondered why he didn't fly away or teleport into the ocean or something.

I agree about that guy that can see molly being the next bad guy. but then you did see sylar's blood trailing into the drain at the very end.

Does anyone actually know what Mr. Deveaux or Mrs. Petrelli's powers were because peter would have technically had those too right?

Overall, It kicks ass and I can't wait for the next episode ^^

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Linderman doesn't heal automatically like claire though, he has to choose what to heal.

I Recon that peter is still alive, there's no way the could kill him off. and I also wondered why he didn't fly away or teleport into the ocean or something.

I agree about that guy that can see molly being the next bad guy. but then you did see sylar's blood trailing into the drain at the very end.

Does anyone actually know what Mr. Deveaux or Mrs. Petrelli's powers were because peter would have technically had those too right?

Overall, It kicks ass and I can't wait for the next episode ^^


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I believe Mr. Deveaux's powers have to do "dream walking."
We saw in the finale Peter talking to him at the time in the past when he first started taking care of Charles.
At surface value the vision can be seen as Peter time traveling and then using invisibility. Mr. Deveaux even comments that invisibility would be nice to have.
But I am pretty sure that this is not the case. Mainly because Mr. Bennet finds and wakes Peter up from his slumber, meaning he never left. He was "awake" and upright talking to Deveaux, and then horizontal and asleep in the same place when Bennet wakes him. So no time travel.
Peter had to have been talking to him in his sleep while his physical self remained in the same place.
This goes along with what I've thought about Peter's dreams for a little while now. In the past he dreamt of flying, he saw Nathan's accident, he had a conversation with dream Charles (just as earthly Charles was dying), and he had dreams of himself as the exploding man. These dreams mostly were not entirely accurate, actual events or linear. Some happen, some don't, some from the past, some the future.
There was also a recent CBR Q&A session with the writers of the show in which people were talking about aboriginal beliefs and "dreamwalking," which is like having lucid dreams, except actually interacting with people and places as they will or have existed in waking life, this interaction also transcends life and death.
So taking all that into consideration I am fairly confident this has something to do with Charles Deveaux's power. Peter's interacted with him twice in dream life in ways he never did in his waking life. This interaction in the finale cements this idea in that Charles is the only one who he interacts with in the dream, so Charles must have the abilty himself. If it was his mother's then she would have known the conversation was occuring.
Plus Angela Petrelli's lines allude to her having knowledge or being aware of things. She's more of a fact person whereas Charles seemed to be much more the spiritual type. So something like dreamwalking is more akin to his personality than cold-hearted Angela.
Although if she does have a power, we can indeed assume Pete's got it. But he has yet to realize it.

So in short Charles - dreamwalker. (meaning we'll probably see even more of Mr. Roundtree!)
Angela - ??? [knowledge?]
Mr. Nakamura - I am starting to wonder if it's immortality or eternal youth.. when he looked at his own eyes in the sword before training Hiro, they looked younger... anyone else catch that...?
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omg, what if mr.nakamura was kensei?

also, do you think that peter also has all of sylar's abilities?
and by the looks of the last scene where EVERYONE was in the same place peter's gonna have a LOT of abilities,

Mika's machine talking
Nikki's Super Strength (and alter-ego?)
DL's wall phasing
Molly's locating abilities

.. also, he came in contact with the hatïan, right? surely that's a great defence against the likes of sylar..?

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omg, what if mr.nakamura was kensei?

also, do you think that peter also has all of sylar's abilities?
and by the looks of the last scene where EVERYONE was in the same place peter's gonna have a LOT of abilities,

Mika's machine talking
Nikki's Super Strength (and alter-ego?)
DL's wall phasing
Molly's locating abilities

.. also, he came in contact with the hatïan, right? surely that's a great defence against the likes of sylar..?


its true
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He should have all of Sylar's abilities
Telekinesis, super hearing, cryogenisis, zane's melting power, speed(?), and even the unknown ones.
And yeah how should have all of those others from those at the kirby plaza you mentioned.. probably part of the reason he exploded.. too much at once and not having control over Ted's power.

He already showed Nikki's power when he hit Sylar to the floor.
He doesn't have the alter ego b/c we saw Nikki use the strength w/o Jessica finally and she seemingly "left" Nikki. Leading us to believe Jessica was kind of Nikki coping with having to be that strong to get what she needs.

I was going to say I don't think he has the Haitian's powers, but then I remembered when they saw each other on the roof of the Deveaux building. But like any other of Pete's powers he has to be concious of having them if they are one that involves concentration. He activates some he doesn't know about like Matt's and Charles' but they seem to activate subconciously. The Haitian has to work hard to use his power, as he only can block some powers in our timeline, but in the future it looks like he is much more adept at blocking.

I'm curious where Candice will fall after all this. Her employers (that we know of) are all but gone. Will she continue with the Company, or maybe in their absence work with HRG? Considering her interactions with Micah showing her softer side, we'll see her working with our heroes more?

Man I'd love to be involved with the creation of this show... either as a writer or actor...
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one thing that I still question in my mind is whether peter has to think about regenerating before it actually happens. because when the glass was removed from his head claire was present and he seems to use any power automatically if the origin is nearby (like the invisible guy and ted)

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one thing that I still question in my mind is whether peter has to think about regenerating before it actually happens. because when the glass was removed from his head claire was present and he seems to use any power automatically if the origin is nearby (like the invisible guy and ted)


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Claire's ability is totally automatic. Otherwise neither Claire nor he would have been able to come back to life after the stick and glass to the back of the head, respectively. A part of them can't heal fully if something sticking in it.
Also when Pete got thrown off the roof by Claude, he healed automatically when he didn't know how to access most of the powers conciously.

I do see your point of the person with the powers of origin being near Pete heightening its trigger/usage. So when Sylar was near, with Ted's power, it heightened to the point of being uncontrollable.

I think the distinction of powers activating themselves versus requiring concious thought is whether they are reactive versus active or mental versus physical.
Abilities that are reactive trigger because of what is happening to the host - Claire, Claude. So that they adapt to the circumstances. They also relate to survival, if they are threatened they can fight back (Niki, Claire's mom, Sylar's TK) or escape (DL, Nathan).
Then there are those that use mental concentration because precision. Hiro, Haitian, Micah, Linderman.

Ted's seem to be that he just is a nuke and radiates all the time unless he's concentrating.
Matt's seems to just happen - hearing thoughts, and also has to concentrate to not use his powers sometimes, but then other times he has to concentrate to use his powers.

Pete's usage confuses everything I guess..
Pete heard Sylar's thoughts using Matt's ability in NYC... but why only Sylar? And how did he do this if he didn't know he had the power?
And then when Ted's abilities lash out for him...
Okay now I've just confused myself into a circle.
Maybe Peter's just highly adaptive and reactive with his powers, and they occur as he needs them...?
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I'm starting to think that Peter can only get one power from each person. Sylar has many powers but Peter never uses more than one of them. He has used Hiro's ability to stop time but not to time travel. He used Niki's strength at the end but not her double/twin ability. I dunno, there is still so much left to do with him.

I'm not sure if Nathan died or not. I think Peter couldn't fly because he was out of control. I don't see why Nathan couldn't carry him up high and then drop him or whatever.

My favorite part of the last episode was also Molly mentioning someone stronger than Sylar, who is still alive and brings me to one questions no one seems to be asking. WHAT IN THE HELL IS THE DEAL WITH THE BUG? When Sylar was caught they showed it with him in two different episodes. Then at the end when he went into the sewer they showed it again... Maybe he's like a cockroach and is very difficult to kill.
i was soooo disapointed with the ending,

totally lame

like the idea of a 'new' bad guy out there, though, other than that, meh
I still think that sylar will play a part in the second series as he sort of disappeared into the drain didn't he.

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I'm starting to think that Peter can only get one power from each person.  Sylar has many powers but Peter never uses more than one of them.  He has used Hiro's ability to stop time but not to time travel.  He used Niki's strength at the end but not her double/twin ability.  I dunno, there is still so much left to do with him.

I'm not sure if Nathan died or not.  I think Peter couldn't fly because he was out of control.  I don't see why Nathan couldn't carry him up high and then drop him or whatever.

My favorite part of the last episode was also Molly mentioning someone stronger than Sylar, who is still alive and brings me to one questions no one seems to be asking.  WHAT IN THE HELL IS THE DEAL WITH THE BUG?  When Sylar was caught they showed it with him in two different episodes.  Then at the end when he went into the sewer they showed it again...  Maybe he's like a cockroach and is very difficult to kill.


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It's a good point that we've only seen peter stop time, but not time travel. You could be right that he can only get one power from each person. But we have seen him teleport (at least in the future), and in theory all of Hiro's abilities are linked - its really the ability to bend space and time at his will, allowing for displacement of himself through time and space. You could be right, tho.

Have you been keeping up with the comics, Mana? They're still going for the summer and there's a really great one about the Haitian that just ended. In it we see his father is also powered, and the Haitian seemed to even display more power than we've seen from him. He used a different ability where he showed his father images of his life.
Either that was an extension of his own mental-manipulation abilities,
or it was tied to his father's abilities, and the Haitian actually was amplifying his father's ability, which would seem plausible to me - if he can negate a power, he may be able to heighten one as well..
Throughout the issues, he did display a higher level of power, but less controlled.
Makes me wonder if the Company really limits their captives and operatives' powers, in exchange for more control...?

The bug, has been shown many times throughout the show. Mostly when Sylar was near. I think, like you said, it's just a reference to their resilience - they would supposedly be able to withstand a nuclear war, which seems to be what they are referencing in the finale there. What bugs me more is that everyone fought so hard to take Sylar out, and they don't make sure that he is taken to the morgue when he done in...?! No one said "Hey where'd Sylar's body go?" ?! That's just silly..
Heroes S1 on DVD in August for US, and on September 5th for the land down under. I shall have it on day one.

Heroes S2 is roughly 77 days away according to Heroes-Wiki. So, let the speculating begin! I for one am hyped. Having now absorbed in the entire series.

Also, stop complaining. I liked the ending with Peter and Nathan. A little corny but it worked, plus I hate Nathan lol.

I assume Sylar will return in S2, Uluru should be interesting to see. Molly seemed scared because when she thinks of him, he can see her... and who can blame her?! Lol.

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Heroes S1 on DVD in August for US, and on September 5th for the land down under. I shall have it on day one.

Heroes S2 is roughly 77 days away according to Heroes-Wiki. So, let the speculating begin! I for one am hyped. Having now absorbed in the entire series.

Also, stop complaining. I liked the ending with Peter and Nathan. A little corny but it worked, plus I hate Nathan lol.

I assume Sylar will return in S2, Uluru should be interesting to see. Molly seemed scared because when she thinks of him, he can see her... and who can blame her?! Lol.


Finally all caught up, eh? So I guess that means we can leave out the spoiler tags til next season?


Yeah the DVDs coming out in a month or so now.. the normal version costs $60US while the HDDVDs cost $100US!! crazy... I usually try and support my local stores for various reasons, but this may be one case where I buy it off of Amazon, where I can get the normal DVDs for closer to $40US. Still wish it had box art by Tim Sale. The pic posted doesn't look as cool as his would have. amazon Heroes dvd

As for speculations of next season, I stand by my previous thoughts with all the familial goings on having to with the older generation of heroes. Also, from an interview with Zachary Quinto (Sylar), it's alluded to that we may find out how Sylar actually gets his powers (which I heard Tim Kring say previously was coming in season 2), and the interviewer asks if there's a chance may see Sylar changing sides, to which Quinto responds:

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I thinks there's absolutely a chance of anything. I think anything is possible and i think the landscape in which Sylar finds himself this year, at the beginning of this season, is going to be radically different than the one that people will expect... so that's exciting


There's more interviews on that site with Tim Kring and others about next season, but generally, we're going to see three "volumes" next season that will be three different story arcs. Then after the season is done, there is going to be a mini set of "one-shots" called Heroes: Origins which will entail single episode stories about new character(s). They are attempting to get writers, directors, and actors who may not have been able to appear in the normal show to contribute to these episodes since they are a smaller commitment. No details yet on who any of the guests would be.
There is also talk of allowing viewers to vote on the characters/stories in Origins to bring one of those characters into the main storyline. Although Tim Kring says it would most likely be for only a few eps, because as writers he feels it would be too binding to have the audience choosing where the story goes.
(I'm inclined to agree)

I don't know if what Molly saw is actually going to be Uluru.. he seems to have been a metephor for the most part. The show also wants to stay rooted in the character over big effects (hence why no giant Pete v Sylar showdown).

I've read that Nathan is not dead and will be back next season so... just thought I'd pass that along. This is taking so long to come! I need Hiro's power to time travel to see what will happen in the future.
ok, so...i know im late in my theories and such, but i recently found the novels on the site, and couldnt leave this sitting alone (also...new season starts in less than a month!!!) im too lazy to quote people, so ill just respond to things in one spoiler tag.

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Nathan will die, but i don't think he died from the incident that happened...my belief is that Sylar kills him later on down the line, and then assumes his identity shortly thereafter. Sylar is also not dead or ending his killing spree any time soon, because we saw him with even MORE abilities in the future than what he already has at the end of this season. shapeshifting? maybe that's the connection to the bug, because he'll take the form of the bug to get around without people noticing him until it's too late? idk...but Sylar's original power is to know exactly how things work and the mechanics of almost everyone and everything he meets (the clocks?). His ability allows him to find exactly what it is that gives each character their powers, and then begins the process of taking that part and embedding it into himself.

Peter is still alive, because he gained semi-control over Claire's regenerating ability. but that wouldn't matter, if my theory is correct; that once he was freed from the powers that were surrounding and pouring into him, he was able to gain more control. I think the reason he didn't fly away was that he was trying to control the mass amount of powers he was absorbing when everyone started appearing. not only did he have the powers of most of the people already inside of him, but there were also some new ones that he had previously been unexposed to (Micah, and all of the powers Sylar had absorbed prior to the incident, for example). Trying to supress all of the powers within him was probably taking a toll on his strength, and simply getting them under control prevented him from channeling any one power to fly off. The reason I believe he hasn't shown signs of everyone's TRUE power (doing everything in the extent and magnitude that they can) is because he hasnt mastered them. he's only just learning how to control his own power, so exploring what he can do with the powers he's absorbed has been out of the question so far.

Mr. Deveaux's power, i agree, is probably something to do with dreamwalking. Everything that drivebyinsult wrote i strongly agree with, and I don't have any doubts that his power is something along the lines of dreamwalking.

the Haitian and many others (including Matt) are definitely proof that the injections they were all made to take put a damper on their powers. Now that their injections are beginning to wear off, their powers are growing significantly.

I really wonder what the story is with Hiro and his father...My theory is that Mr. Nakamura is kensai, like i think it was D4rk said. I also believe he has the power of either 1. rebirth, or 2. eternal youth, or 3. control over his age... Present Hiro goes into the past, as we've seen, and helps him in some way. He also probably tells kensai that he's from the future, blah blah...and that he's his son. and so now kensai has been spending years and years trying to find the right Hiro (notice Hiro's grandfather also has the same name). Since the episodes have been taken offline, i cant find it, and i could be wrong, but didn't he say something about finally finding him? he knew that in order to save either the past or the present, he needed to train Hiro in the art of sword fighting and everything he could.

September 24th for the US...woo! and S1 is now officially on DVD.

also, with the novel...has anybody found the secrets to them?

EDIT: found information on what's in the box set for $48 (it's seven disks, and the last one seems to be all special features and awesomeness):
Disc 1

Run Time: 1 Hours and 37 Minutes
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Audio: Dolby Digital 5.1 (English)
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Picture: Anamorphic Widescreen (1.78:1)
Color
Bonus:
Unaired Pilot: The Tim Kring Cut With Audio Commentary By Show Creator Tim Kring
Deleted Scenes

Disc 2

Run Time: 2 Hours and 54 Minutes
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Color
Bonus:
Deleted Scenes


Disc 3

Run Time: 2 Hours and 54 Minutes
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Color
Bonus:
Deleted Scenes

Disc 4

Run Time: 2 Hours and 54 Minutes
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Color
Bonus:
Deleted Scenes
Audio Commentaries with Cast & Crew


Disc 5

Run Time: 2 Hours and 54 Minutes
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Color
Bonus:
Deleted Scenes
Audio Commentaries with Cast & Crew
Minder Reader

Disc 6

Run Time: 2 Hours and 54 Minutes
MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Color
Bonus:
Deleted Scenes
Audio Commentaries with Cast & Crew


Disc 7

MPAA Rating: Not Rated
Subtitles: English SDH, French, Spanish
Color
Bonus:
Audio Commentary - How to Stop an Exploding Man with Tim Kring, Dennis Hammer and Allan Arkush
Making of
Special Effects
The Stunts
Profile of Artist Tim Sale
The Score





i'm curious as to what the Mind Reader is...and I can't wait to see Tim Sale's profile...and the score...
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