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We have confirmed the Xbox 360 versions of Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July) will run at 60 frames per second, whereas the PS3 editions are locked at just 30fps. In the simplest of terms, this means that the 360 versions will run smoother and faster, and you'll have an easier time noticing subtle animations.

Now, you'd think Sony would be doing everything in its power to make sure these system sellers are par with -- or better -- than Microsoft's version. That's not the case, as Sony seems to have a "hey, we can do it -- why can't you?" attitude. "We have already proven that sports titles can run on the PlayStation 3 at true HD with 1080p output with NBA 07," says Dave Karraker, Sony CEA's senior director of corporate communications. "If you have questions about specific third-party games, you should speak to those publishers."





"We want to make sure that we give the best experience we can on each platform. In designing a game, there are all sorts of tradeoffs that include frame rate, visuals, features, AI, etc. As you can see, every company making a football game this year made a decision that the best experience for the Xbox 360 included 60fps whereas the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play."

Is Sony's console really that much more difficult to develop for?

"If your game starts on Xbox 360 you will have to re-engineer aspects of the game to run properly on PS3. This means additional effort. Some developers have been complaining about this but I don't believe we can solve that. Xbox 360 is a different machine with good, but lower powered hardware in a different architecture. Developers have to view them as two different machines not as a common platform."

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They may call baseball America's pastime, but in the world of videogames, that honor easily belongs to football. No other sport has racked up software sales quite like the pigskin offerings, and no other sport has been so vital to the success (PlayStation 2 having Madden since Day 1) and failure (Dreamcast never got it) of hardware. The importance of this genre is just as relevant today, yet it seems Sony's console ain't sittin' so pretty this time around.

We have confirmed the Xbox 360 versions of Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July) will run at 60 frames per second, whereas the PS3 editions are locked at just 30fps. In the simplest of terms, this means that the 360 versions will run smoother and faster, and you'll have an easier time noticing subtle animations.

While we haven't had the opportunity to see the difference with EA's titles (the publisher hasn't sent us PS3 builds of either), All-Pro Football 2K8 definitely runs better on Xbox 360.

Now, you'd think Sony would be doing everything in its power to make sure these system sellers are par with -- or better -- than Microsoft's version. That's not the case, as Sony seems to have a "hey, we can do it -- why can't you?" attitude. "We have already proven that sports titles can run on the PlayStation 3 at true HD with 1080p output with NBA 07," says Dave Karraker, Sony CEA's senior director of corporate communications. "If you have questions about specific third-party games, you should speak to those publishers."

OK, we will. After seeing Sony's response, Todd Sitrin, EA's vice president of marketing sports branding, replied:

"We want to make sure that we give the best experience we can on each platform. In designing a game, there are all sorts of tradeoffs that include frame rate, visuals, features, AI, etc. Football is an extremely challenging sport to replicate because of the number of people on the field, their interaction, and the scope of the environments. As you can see, every company making a football game this year made a decision that the best experience for the Xbox 360 included 60fps whereas the best experience for the PS3 was 30fps. We certainly believe that both the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are our football products are outstanding experiences and recommend that each gamer look at the entire experience, not just one aspect. We think they'll be very happy no matter which version of the game they play."

Unfortunately, the folks at 2K Sports refused to comment.

Aside from the simple fact that this puts the PS3 at a disadvantage (again), this situation (and Sony's response to it) raises all kinds of questions: is Sony's console really that much more difficult to develop for? What is Sony doing to educate its third parties on PS3 development? And after Karraker's comment, do they even care to help? A few weeks ago, Karraker tackled the subject on Sony's PlayStation blog:

"If your game starts on Xbox 360 you will have to re-engineer aspects of the game to run properly on PS3. This means additional effort. Some developers have been complaining about this but I don't believe we can solve that. Xbox 360 is a different machine with good, but lower powered hardware in a different architecture. Developers have to view them as two different machines not as a common platform."

It's worth pointing out that EA's been working on Xbox 360 hardware a full year longer than PS3. With Madden, it's almost understandable, but 2K is having the same issues with All-Pro Football 2K8, a game built from the ground up to be released on both platforms.

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After reading this same article on a couple different sites I went through and looked at some of the "user comments". As you'd expect you have those people who are Sony fan boys who are crying fowl and you have the 360 fan boys who are jumping for joy.

I guess I'm kind of in the middle of all this. I've seen far too many "next gen" games that have been very poor. Many of those super-hyped games (for all the systems) have fallen flat, and people are just disappointed.

Most people would agree that the graphics chips within the 360 and PS3 are similar in what they can do, so are we looking at a situation where companies have had a one year head start with the 360 and they don't want to rework a game for the PS3? What happens when they make those same games for the Wii? Do they just add some Wii-mote waving action and turn the graphics down?

I know it's a lot to ask, and it will never happen, but I get tired of ports that were made for one system being shoved on others. A game should show off the best qualities of each system and not just watered down versions of one.

Here's my question. What did madden 07/06 run on Xbox 360?

I don't think it's a big deal, and by madden 09, it will run 1080p 60fps on PS3.

Thats very weird, wasn't the ps3 supposed to be even mroe powerful than the 360? If so why is it only running at 30 Hz?

developers don't know how to use that Cell Processor yet. That's why it doesn't run at 60fps.

^^^^No I think it's because Sony threatens"advises" developers to go for progressive scan on their games (720p and 1080p) and progressive games only run at 30Hz

Yep, progressive scan TVs can only output 30 Hz, as do most movies, so I fail to see the issue here.

This info was posted before, so I'm going to lock this thread and try and get the postings moved to the appropriate place. thx gft77

I don't believe Madden 06 was on the 360. I check IGN.com and it said nothing about it there. Madden 07 on the 360 ran at 30fps. If anyone would like to check for themselves they can go to IGN.com and look on the 3rd page of the Madden review.

Uhm.. off topic, but the thread you locked was posted before yours, so it should be merged, or your should be locked >_>

And Ps3 could do better.

I'd ask that you read over the Guidelines to responding to a thread or post that are at the very top of the PS3 area. Those are rules for members, but they will also apply to Moderators as well.

Yep, madden 06 was on the 360, and it was a huge mess, if anyone remembers all of the problems it had, and missing features.

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